Posts by Island Man

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Governing body deceiving members on purpose?

by wwjdnwt in

i was born into this religion.

i was a jw for well over 30 years.

i did much research before i had internet, i compared bibles and prayed deeply to help me to know if this was the truth.

Island Man

"@ calebinFloroda:...your comparisons to imperial Japan, isis and nazism would ring truer if it were not for the governing body/fds conjuring ' new light ' which nullifies their previous ideologically held belief systems. Your comparitive examples strictly held or hold to their ideologies to the death."

I disagree. "New Light" not withstanding, the JWs do have a core unchanging ideology which may be summarized as this:

The JW organization is God's organization which one must always be loyal and obedient to. To disagree with or criticize the organization is to disagree with or criticize Jehovah. To leave the organization is to leave Jehovah. Only members of the organization are true christians approved by God. Association with the organization is essential to having God's approval and any valid hope of escaping destruction at Armageddon.

There might be a few other core, unchanging aspects of the JW theology that I missed, but what I've written above is the essence of it. The "new light" changes are minor secondary teachings that aren't really part of the core ideology of JWism.

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Wednesday Hearings LIVE LINK NOW

by Mad Sweeney in

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

Island Man

This "Deny All" guy is intellectually reprehensible!

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Governing body deceiving members on purpose?

by wwjdnwt in

i was born into this religion.

i was a jw for well over 30 years.

i did much research before i had internet, i compared bibles and prayed deeply to help me to know if this was the truth.

Island Man

I believe they know they are deceiving the members but delusionally think that they're deceiving the members for their own benefit. It's a case of having the mindset that the end justifies the means.

Did you see the JW broadcast where Samuel Herd was addressing the issue of JWs being brainwashed? He did not deny it. Instead his argument consisted of saying that what others call brainwashing is seen by them as wholesome teaching and mental readjusting to clean the mind of the corruptions of this world. That's not a quote, mind you, just my paraphrasing of what he was saying. So he essentially justified brainwashing by putting a positive spin on it!

I think they similarly justify and rationalize their deceptive responses about issues like the UN fiasco and child sex abuse. They probably tell themselves that it is in the best interest of the brotherhood that they not know the whole truth about such matters so as not to discourage and stumble them. They probably rationalize that the negative publicity that would come to the organization if all allegations of child abuse are promptly reported to the police, is of greater importance than the welfare of the individual child abuse victims, so they feel justified in sacrificing child abuse victims and covering up the issue in the name of protecting the image of the organization so that outsiders wouldn't see the organization in a bad light and be stumbled away from accepting the truth.

I would say it boils down to doing evil in the name of God. But its actually doing evil because of organizational pride. Organizational pride is at the root of the child abuse mess they're now mired in.

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Almost said too much"....... maybe

by Bigdummy in

the wife was getting ready for the sunday meeting yesterday and wanted the grandkids.

they didn't want to so she called our daughter to come and pick them .

now wife is about to cry because she is going by herself.

Island Man

"I would like to say that I apologize for that last sentence in my above post. Some-
time my thoughts and my typing don't coincide with each other and the result is
a little messed up. "

It happens too me all the time. lol. Sometimes I right down something and notice later that I misspelled a word - or more accurately, I wrote down a synophone (is that a word?) of the word I meant to write. Putting "right" instead of "write", for example.

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Does the royal commission have the power to force the Jws to change how abuse is handled?

by hoser in

i'm wondering if this is just a hearing or if this commission has teeth?.

some very damning things coming out nonetheless .

Island Man

I think they have that power indirectly. By that I mean that the findings of the commission can influence sweeping reform to Australia's laws regarding the responsibilities of institutions to report child abuse. Such national laws in turn, will force Watchtower to update its policies so as to comply or face the religion being stripped of its charity or religious status and black listed as a harmful group.

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CNN Video: Royal Commission's querry into JWs sexual abuse cases

by ScenicViewer in

i'm not sure if this will be embedded or clickable, but this cnn video is a good one.. http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/07/28/australia-jehovah-witness-sex-abuse-hannigan-lklv.cnn.

edit: looks like the link is clickable, but if someone knows how to embed it please do.

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Island Man

"Come on you guys. There is an upcoming WT study in a few months that will help us all to see that these reports are nothing but lies, lies that Satan is promoting via the worlds media. Let us not fall into Satan's trap and believe this...."

That study is going to backfire in Watchtower's face. Lots of JWs who are now hearing these news reports are going to see through that study when it comes. They're going to see that Watchtower is trying to manipulate them into turning a blind eye to its ills. I think many will wake up then.

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CNN Video: Royal Commission's querry into JWs sexual abuse cases

by ScenicViewer in

i'm not sure if this will be embedded or clickable, but this cnn video is a good one.. http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/07/28/australia-jehovah-witness-sex-abuse-hannigan-lklv.cnn.

edit: looks like the link is clickable, but if someone knows how to embed it please do.

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Island Man

I saw the story on the front page of the CNN website, in the News and Buzz sidebar. It actually made CNN's main page!

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Royal Commission convened for now, but Jackson is an asshole

by umbertoecho in

i have just finished listening to this man jackson.

i remember him well.

he is twisting things around as much as he is allowed.

Island Man

This last victim has a very extreme story. I'm waiting to see if/how any of the JW elders involved would justify their treatment of this victim if/when they're called to testify.

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Bible and Mentally Challenged, what does it say.

by James Mixon in

special olympics today here in los angeles, the smiles on those kids faces.. i wonder how were they viewed in jesus day, demon possessed.. it's strange how the bible omit some issues, like slavery and mentally challenged.

folks.

thank god for humanitarian..

Island Man

I believe the man living among the memorial tombs and possessed by a legion of demons, was also described in the bible as being mentally ill. So demon possession was also used to explain mental illness.

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Speculation ( not theory ) on child abuse inquiries.

by DATA-DOG in

most of you, like me, keep yourself informed as to what's happening in jw-land.

like me, you make it your business to know what's going on.

so i'm wondering why the wtbts is allowing eldubs to appear in these inquiries in australia??

Island Man

I think its because the elders have no choice. If the elders refused to testify then think of the publicity that would cause. That would result in even more negative publicity because now it would be clear that they are actively seeking to hide something.

They probably also underestimated the astuteness of the commission, thinking they can spin the commissioners the way they spin the the public.